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  • New member introduction thread!

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    @sepi Thank you for your welcome. I'm located in germany, "nord-oberpfalz". I would take 5m at this price, (I just now only need less than 1m) just to have some in reserve for further experiments. How can I get in contact with you? Paying in advance would be no problem.
  • Designing the large-format cell

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    @Vorg A spill of a container full of charged electrolyte would off gas a lot of I2, which at those amounts is a big health risk. I sadly don't have a space where I could have that happen and then be able to ventilate that safely, nor do I have a spare room I could dedicate entirely to the project. So as far as I go, I will test with just water. We will likely get a space to do active material testing safely, but probably not until sometime next year. If any of you guys can do this testing safely and feel comfortable doing so, you can also take a shot! As with our kit, all the materials for this are open source.
  • Separator material

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    @danielfp248 ah, that makes sense as a last resort measure but would it not be nice to not lose charge? Well it all depends on how easiy it is to counteract by setting a different flow for the different electrolytes.
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  • Tygon chemical for sale

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  • My build (very slowly progressing)

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    @sepi @danielfp248 Thanks for the quick and thorough answers! You should add those points to the docs unless you feel that this might potentially create legal trouble. I think we can add these as reasonable guidelines, we will include clarification that waste disposal should always be consulted with local regulations though. About the PPE, I was wearing nitrile gloves, cotton work cloths and plastic safety glasses (not closed though). I felt reasonably safe That seems adequate, especially if adequate ventilation is also in place. The quantities are small, so hopefully this also reduces the risk. About the copper carbonate for precipitation, would that be the natural one or basic one? Since I'm curious and want to bring my chemistry skills up to date: how do you know that this will cause precipitation? Is this compound used frequently for precipitation? Is this about chemical potential of copper iodide (s) and zinc carbonate (s) being lower than the sum of their respective ions (aq) in solution? This is because Zn carbonate and Cu iodide are insoluble so a double displacement reaction occurs and both fall out of solution. There is an additional complication in that Cu+2 does oxidize I- to elemental I2, so you will also have some solid iodine formation. What precipitates is actually Cu(I) iodide. You can add some Na thiosulfate if you want to make sure all iodine precipitates as copper (I) iodide.
  • Theoretical Practical tank size limit

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    @Vorg We will slowly get there but no, right now we don't have any kWh capacity battery. As I mentioned, it will be several years before we get there. The fun is to walk this path and make everything open source on the way.
  • MyStat PCBs for free

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    @sepi Hi, if you do the selling of the tube, I would order 2 (two) meters.
  • RFB University

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    @danielfp248 sorry, my question was not well formulated. I meant a potential between the electrolytes inside the cell independently the possibility of measuring them using an electrode. Or to formulate it differently, if you cut through the cell (lile you cut a sandwich) and plotted the electrical potential between the electrodes, how would it look like?
  • Blog: czahl's build

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    @czahl I am a huge fan of trying this, especially for the larger format where setups are likely to be more permanent. As kirk mentioned we have never actually tried it, so please let us know if you do!
  • Towards a working system

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    @muntasirms Absolutely! A bunch of other great documentation on here, wanted to try to my part. I have a colleague who uses HIPS exclusively in strong alkaline systems. Significantly easier to print than PP from my limited experience. It's not pure polystyrene (which is great for alkaline), but the additive(s) don't seem to affect their tolerance too much. I'll keep you posted on compatibility as I test these systems! Not sure how long the parts will last yet.
  • Systems engineering and modeling

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    @kirk @sepi I think Bert's models are free to download off his site, but if you wanted to read the paper, I'm happy to email them to you or you can reach out to him for a copy.
  • Sourcing parts

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    On it, thanks @sepi !
  • Following your documentation – feedback & questions

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    @gus nice! That's the spirit! Keep us up to date please. I'm almost done building the thing. Printing the PP parts right now then I just need to wait for the pumps, tubing and potentiostat to arrive.
  • Whole system concept for more security and efficiency

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    Ah, in the FAQ ... Yes, was thinking wrong from other and not so good sources.
  • Connecting potentiostat

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    @sepi Unless you are very experienced soldering small components I would suggest not doing this. Some of the expensive components are tiny and easy to damage, either by overheating or by soldering multiple legs together and causing shorts. I tried soldering my own mystat 3 times (without success) before I got my first working one from pcbway. I am however, not good at all at soldering.
  • MyStat PCBWay Component cost

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    My latest quote is 315$ with assembly included by PCBWay. That's expensive but not prohibitive. Thanks for the input!
  • Diagrams of load / unload efficiency?

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  • Assembling the FBRC flow cell (rough cut)

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    Here is an updated version! https://spectra.video/w/nJ8XNYu1MXNPSDLKV3KVTh
  • Choice of plastic

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    @gus @SamAuc ABS may work with an all-copper chemistry!

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