Only Fe system

[danielfp248]

Cycling of the 1M Fe from FeCl2.2H2O, 2.5M CaCl2 and 1M NH4Cl cell to 4Ah/L gave pretty good results, with even some improvements to CE and EE with cycling. I am now doubling the current to 20mA/cm2 and trying to take it to the Nernst limit, see how it does then.

[kirk]

@danielfp248 said in Only Fe system:

take it to the Nernst limit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-QD_HIfjA

[sepi]

This sounds very exciting but to be honest, as an outsider, I can't really judge. Could you explain how this chemistry compares to others and how the results are promising, etc? Also, is the low voltaic efficiency due to overpotentials because of relatively bad kinetics?

[danielfp248]

@sepi Thanks for writing. It is exciting in the sense that Fe systems are great because Fe is low cost, low toxicity, easy to source and very sustainable given how much Fe is present in the earth's crust. However, Fe systems suffer from big problems with hydrogen evolution, as H2 evolution occurs easily at acidic pH (which is needed for the Fe3+ species to be stable in solution). In turn, H2 evolution increases the electrolyte's pH, which then causes problems with Fe hydroxide precipitation. These problems have prevented massive adoption of Fe chemistries in flow batteries, in spite of all the above mentioned advantages.

I had personally never been able to have an Fe system work with our battery system, so the excitement comes from finally having some electrolyte configurations that are sort of working well (at least cycling well at low SOC values with significant CE and EE). The big issue is that there isn't any stability in cycling at high SOC values yet, but at the current state you can run experiments with our kit and help develop Fe battery systems.

The potentials are lower than those expected from the CV experiments, but after recalibrating my potentiostat the losses are actually lower than I thought. So I am now getting potentials near the 0.95V when going to high SOC values.

[sepi]

Thanks for the comprehensive reply, that sounds indeed very nice! I have more questions still:

1. Do you do anything differently than what is already published or is the challenge mostly to get something kind of proven working in the FBRC devkit?
2. Would it in general be an issue to just never charge the battery to high SoCs? Sure your volumetric energy density will go down but you might avoid all kinds of trouble this way. I imagine habing a very simple or lowtech battery of mediocre efficiency and density could still be of a lot of value to many people.
3. Are the low voltages due to ohmic losses in the separator and maybe electrolyte?
4. How is the patent situation around this technology?

[danielfp248]

@sepi To answer your questions:

1. We are testing concentrated MgCl2 and CaCl2 electrolytes, which have never been published in all-Fe flow batteries. The experiments are therefore innovating in the space.

2. It wouldn't be an issue and in fact this is how Zn-Br commercial flow batteries work, to make them stable they are never charged beyond something like 20-30% of their SOC. The Zn-Br batteries have high enough capacities at 20-30% SOC to make them still quite dense at this much lower SOC rating. For an all-Fe flow battery this would be so low that the cost per kWh would climb a lot, but of course you can always go this route if the compromises are worth it to you.

3. The max voltage the all-Fe chemistry we're studying could give would be around 1.2V given the CV. Ohmic losses because of the solution conductivity and separator thickness are likely a meaningful component of our drop, so are likely the kinetics of plating/stripping and Fe2+/Fe3+ reactions on carbon felt.

4. As far as I know, the main patents on Fe plating flow batteries were issues in the mid 80s, so most of the original patents of this technology have expired. However there are a lot of patents in Fe batteries, particularly dealing with electrolyte modifications and electrode modifications (to reduce H2 evolution).

[kirk]

@sepi, FYI, conventional all-iron RFBs at scale require a system to recombine the produced hydrogen from the negative side with the excess Fe (III) cations ("ferric") on the positive side. This reaction liberates protons to restore the acidity of the system and prevent hydroxide precipitation. This is, technically, a hydrogen-ferric fuel cell. However, it is another tricky system to implement, and can require catalysts (e.g. platinum). A lot of patents deal with this issue. ESS's "proton pump" is effectively this.

[danielfp248]

I also just made a blog post on this chemistry, with some of the latest results https://chemisting.com/2025/09/15/studying-an-all-fe-chemistry-using-wise-in-our-flow-battery-kit/

[danielfp248]

This is the result of charging the 1M Fe, 4.5M CaCl2, 1M NH4Cl cell to the Nernst limit (1.5V)

There is still some decay in capacity due to increases in resistance, although much slower. I will now charge this to 6.5Ah/L, see if it can cycle in a stable manner at that capacity.

[danielfp248]

Running to only 7Ah/L at 10mA/cm2 (1M Fe, 4.5M CaCl2, 1M NH4Cl)

[danielfp248]

This test showed some deterioration on cycling:

I took out the catholyte and anolyte when charged (you can see the anolyte (left) and catholyte (right) in the pictures below). There isn't any hydroxide precipitation in either one. However there are some pieces of detached Fe metal on the anolyte, which I think are what causes the slight loss in capacity and increases in ohmic resistance as a function of time.