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  • C czahl

    @sepi I have seem some YouTube videos where they showed the same, the tape was bonding too good to the filament, or even melted with it. I have no clue why this is not the case with me. Either it is based on the filament or on the printing parameter. What I used (mix of recommendations from @danielfp248 and the Magigoo Manual:

    • bed temp of 80° for the first layer, 35!° for the others
    • printing with 250° for the first layer, 240° for the others.
    • my best results so far are with a variable layer height, between 0.05 to 0.28 mm

    Later today I will try to print with BASF Ultrafuse PP filament and hopefully tomorrow with the kit from PPprint.

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    @czahl I would expect better adhesion at higher temps. That's also what chatgpt suggested, but who would trust that anyways :D. I'll give the higher temp a try for the first layer next time I print some PP.

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      Yesterday I made a new test with the BASF Ultrafuse PP filament - and it behaves totally different. When keeping all the parameters as before, it was loosen from the tape after some layers. I also noticed massive warping, the brims were also warped up.

      Next I used the print profile from BASF. It uses a much higher temperature (which is not in line with the datasheet), but the result was the same. In addition, the packing tape melted so I had to remove it.

      Next I used a this film of MAGIGOO PP adhesive glue, which gives a good result:
      PXL_20250729_200950886.MPb.jpg
      It has some stringing (might be because of the high temp) but fastened to the printing plate quiet well. Removal after cooling down was also easy. Unfortunately, the flow was too much so that the hole in the port was solid. I need to tune the parameters further or to use the new update from @kirk where the inner diameter is increased from 2 to 3mm.

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        @czahl interesting findings. I guess I need to buy some of that expensive magigoo. About those "clogged" holes, why not just drill them open a bit?

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          @czahl interesting findings. I guess I need to buy some of that expensive magigoo. About those "clogged" holes, why not just drill them open a bit?

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          @sepi said in Blog: czahl's build:

          About those "clogged" holes, why not just drill them open a bit?

          This might be possible. If the port is clogged until the bottom, it will get tricky, specially when reaching the bottom. But I will give it also a try this evening...

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            Nice progress, sorry that PP printing is such a pain, but if it's any consolation, this is the norm when finding a setup that works. We really hope to find a DIY-friendly chemistry soon that could work with ABS or other easier-to-print plastics!

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            • C czahl

              Yesterday I made a new test with the BASF Ultrafuse PP filament - and it behaves totally different. When keeping all the parameters as before, it was loosen from the tape after some layers. I also noticed massive warping, the brims were also warped up.

              Next I used the print profile from BASF. It uses a much higher temperature (which is not in line with the datasheet), but the result was the same. In addition, the packing tape melted so I had to remove it.

              Next I used a this film of MAGIGOO PP adhesive glue, which gives a good result:
              PXL_20250729_200950886.MPb.jpg
              It has some stringing (might be because of the high temp) but fastened to the printing plate quiet well. Removal after cooling down was also easy. Unfortunately, the flow was too much so that the hole in the port was solid. I need to tune the parameters further or to use the new update from @kirk where the inner diameter is increased from 2 to 3mm.

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              @czahl said in Blog: czahl's build:

              the new update from @kirk where the inner diameter is increased from 2 to 3mm.

              Also good catch, @danielfp248 has tested this already and it results in smoother flow/less pressure drop in the system without introducing new leakage it appears.

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                @czahl said in Blog: czahl's build:

                the new update from @kirk where the inner diameter is increased from 2 to 3mm.

                Also good catch, @danielfp248 has tested this already and it results in smoother flow/less pressure drop in the system without introducing new leakage it appears.

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                @kirk hah, nice to hear. I was already thinking that this was unnecessarily tight.

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                  @kirk hah, nice to hear. I was already thinking that this was unnecessarily tight.

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                  @sepi It was necessary when I had a much worse printer, lol. But I think any decent printer should be able to handle the wall thickness when the holes are 3mm on both the reservoirs and the flow frames.

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                    Printing the larger parts gives the impression that I'm almost done, but there is still a lot work to do...
                    PXL_20250731_194649312b.jpg
                    I'm still waiting for the silicone foil, should arrive next week. BTW, has anyone tried to "mill" the silicone foil and graphite foil? I'm thinking to put it below a 2-3mm wood plate and use my OpenBuilds CNC router for it, wither with an engraving tool or a 4mm endmill...

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                    • C czahl

                      Printing the larger parts gives the impression that I'm almost done, but there is still a lot work to do...
                      PXL_20250731_194649312b.jpg
                      I'm still waiting for the silicone foil, should arrive next week. BTW, has anyone tried to "mill" the silicone foil and graphite foil? I'm thinking to put it below a 2-3mm wood plate and use my OpenBuilds CNC router for it, wither with an engraving tool or a 4mm endmill...

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                      @czahl Thanks for sharing! Looking great so far! We usually cut the silicone gaskets either by hand or with a vinyl cutter (I used cricut for it),we've never tried something like what you're suggesting. Let us know how your approach goes!

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                        BTW I love seeing everyone's different PP and PLA colors building very differently looking kits!

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                        • C czahl

                          Printing the larger parts gives the impression that I'm almost done, but there is still a lot work to do...
                          PXL_20250731_194649312b.jpg
                          I'm still waiting for the silicone foil, should arrive next week. BTW, has anyone tried to "mill" the silicone foil and graphite foil? I'm thinking to put it below a 2-3mm wood plate and use my OpenBuilds CNC router for it, wither with an engraving tool or a 4mm endmill...

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                          @czahl I haven't tried milling those materials but was considering similar options to what you have in mind. I'd give it a try at least, the more optoons we have, the better. And cutting gaskets will always be a thing in RFB production I'm afraid.

                          The alternative would be to simply get a drag knife like this: https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005006131524919.html

                          Also, congrats on printing the rest of you parts! They look very nice!

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